tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705438356196936662.post782624071687909038..comments2024-01-07T14:16:54.595-08:00Comments on iswasandwillbe EXPOSED: Preamble: About IWWB and Mike VinsoniwwbEXPOSEDhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12202567740067026278noreply@blogger.comBlogger80125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705438356196936662.post-58621127735684020672022-08-17T07:59:42.588-07:002022-08-17T07:59:42.588-07:00Hello o.o
I posted a long comment... it was delete...Hello o.o<br />I posted a long comment... it was deleted.<br />I enjoyed your blog.<br />My name is Alex, I went by lilitalienboi16 @ bibletruths.com.<br />I know all the history you speak of between ray and mike.<br />I was banned after ray's passing in 2011 by Dennis, current moderator of the forums and have been incapable of writting on bibletruths since then.<br />I find it strange that anyone would think that complete obedience to one particular doctrine or all would be a wise rule to enforce upon the body of Christ considering even the apostles vehemently disagreed with one another, remembering how Paul said he withstood peter to his face. Peter going on to say that pauls writings had things that were difficult to understand in them.<br /><br />If the apostles could disagree, why can we, some two thousand years later where the passage of time further removes us from those events and obscures them even more.<br /><br />I too like to study the historicity surrounding the bible, Jesus Christ, and the events of that time outside of biblical sources. I have listened to many mystics, including channels such as Mythvision on Youtube, and prominent athiests, and scholars who dismiss entirely the existance of Jesus Christ. However, I have always been left disappointed by their reasons for doing so. Still... I think its good to be open to all the ideas for and against such a monumental notion as the bible being the very mind of God on paperback or a man crucified two thousand years ago the very God of the universe in the flesh. So I listen, and I think, and I ask questions back, and I learn. <br /><br />Now here I am, a physician, with a family of my own, still a slave to Jesus Christ, still learning, still growing.<br /><br />Life is a strange thing. We either become so jaded by the mundane routine of every day life to the point that we rarely find the time to think about the more philisophical questions of our existance and the universe or we become perplexed by the it (from the smallest atom and vibration [string theory] to the vast emptiness of space that seems devoid of other intelligent life) that we can't help but be compelled to think about all these philisophical things. I'm not yet sure I've met a person who firmly falls in between the two camps. It seems we're either certain its all nonsense or we're certain its entirely true. <br /><br />Either way.. if we embrace it or we dismiss it, we take a leap of faith. <br /><br />So again... hello :) I hope you are well though I don't know if I ever knew you!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705438356196936662.post-32408755679372927052022-08-17T07:49:49.475-07:002022-08-17T07:49:49.475-07:00Hey, I stumbled upon this thread when I was lookin...Hey, I stumbled upon this thread when I was looking up a verse of scripture. The ecclesiasts, "It is an experience of Evil that God has given to humanity to humble them by it."<br /><br />I read through your blog, mostly. I skimmed a bit. My name is Alex. I participated often on bibletruths.com forum under the name lilitalienboi16. I was eventually banned after Ray's passing in 2011 by Dennis. My ban to this day is not lifted. <br /><br />Early in my youth, when I stumbled upon Ray's website in searching out the subject of hell, Ray and Mike were still close and shared in their works together. After ray's fall out with mike, I forget about Mike, occasionally stumbling upon his website and writings.<br /><br />I'm still a very firm believer in Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour of the world. I read through some of your comments to anonymous replies to your post. Your disbelief seems to stem from criticism of the historical texts and historicity surrounding the individuals who wrote the scripture throwing into doubt the reliability of events as recorded. <br /><br />I too have studied these things. I often listen to Mystics, and Atheists, on youtube, and those who disavow the authenticity of scriptures and even historicity of Jesus Christ as a living breathing person.<br /><br />I have, as yet, not found anything convincing in all the many hours of listening to the "evidence" against Jesus and the bible as we have it today. I think it's very good to be open minded and to listen to all the different arguments because I think each of us is entitled to the truth , we deserve that much in this brief existance, and if we shut down and close our eyes to every other doubt and question regarding what we believe then we are doing ourselves a disservice in that right to know the truth. Furthermore, if what we believe truly is THE truth.. then in the end it will stand up to all scrutiny and if the God of the bible is sovereign as we , and even yourself likely had believed at one point, than where you are now in life is all exactly as He intended and there is nothing to worry about even if you find yourself on the side of total disbalief.<br /><br />I find it strange that one would demand complete and total obedience to a particular doctrine. I remember in the scripture where Paul says he withstood the apostle peter to his face, indicating a rather vehement disagreement. If the apostle who walked with the Lord could disagree about doctrine, who are we to think we will never have disagreements some two thousand years later when history and time obscures even more the authors, the events, and the writings? <br /><br />Anyway, I just wanted to post... say hello, and let you know I read your blog and found it compelling enough to just say Hi. <br /><br />The world is a strange place. When you do think about it all, your left at a crossroads; Acknowledge it's all so bizarre (from the smallest atom and vibration to the vast and seemingly devoid of other life universe with all its laws that constrain time and space) or determine in your mind that it simply is and in so doing become so jaded by the mundane and persistent routine of daily life that you rarely ever think about it again until you're on your death bed wondering where all the time went.<br /><br />Well.. i'm not sure where all this was going but hello and hope you are well.<br /><br />Sincerely, a stranger and slave of Jesus Christ,<br />AlexAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705438356196936662.post-14676298854252016892022-02-25T11:47:40.919-08:002022-02-25T11:47:40.919-08:00It has been along time since I have heard from you...It has been along time since I have heard from you. I hope that you have found the peace you searched for and also answers to questions you may have. GOD is...... and we must all fill in the dots, the problem is there is only one way this is done and that way is difficult but not impossible.Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18425079350083635791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705438356196936662.post-64238326789115559112017-09-22T19:33:14.351-07:002017-09-22T19:33:14.351-07:00I was the very first person that was removed from ...I was the very first person that was removed from the church and then came back. I thought it was strange that people were so surprised...like, wasn't the goal for Satan to destroy me? Six months later i was removed again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705438356196936662.post-7950550471591815212016-09-22T14:42:42.955-07:002016-09-22T14:42:42.955-07:00You can reply to this comment with your email addr...You can reply to this comment with your email address. Don't worry, it won't be published online here (all comments must be "approved" before they are visible online) but I'll see the reply and I'll get in touch. <br /><br />Hope that makes sense. Cheers!iwwbEXPOSEDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12202567740067026278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705438356196936662.post-78573522207140811112016-09-17T10:29:28.748-07:002016-09-17T10:29:28.748-07:00hi, how can i reach you privately to ask some ques...hi, how can i reach you privately to ask some questions? previous member...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705438356196936662.post-58540730974380269972016-04-08T18:56:35.132-07:002016-04-08T18:56:35.132-07:00Thanks for your comment and your observations abou...Thanks for your comment and your observations about the followers of Mike Vinson's World Wide Church of God splinter cult called "iswasandwillbe."<br /><br />You are so right when you refer to Mike's people as "gullible followers" and it is sad and distressing to see people put their trust in this out of touch man from Georgia who has decided that his personal biblical interpretation is now the undisputed "truth" of scripture and that he speaks for God himself when he teaches a thing. <br /><br />You say: "some of their leaders are supported to sleep even with these married ladies who husbands/wives do not attend IWWB"<br /><br />Wow. Would you mind elaborating on this at all? I'd love to hear some more details here. <br /><br />I do know first hand that a rabid IWWB follower slept around on his wife (she was not an IWWB follower) with prostitutes and was also engaged in a relationship with another IWWB woman WHILE HE WAS STILL MARRIED.<br /><br />This woman came to me privately via FaceBook message and asked me what to do. I advised her to take her case to Mike Vinson, and see what he would do. I actually believed at the time that Mike would do the right thing and remove this guy from the fellowship, seeing as the "sin" this guy was committing was far worse than attending a birthday party or admitting he partook in his own wedding anniversary. These "sins" earned me a one way ticked out of IWWB so I figured, actually sticking your dick in several other women (who you weren't married to) surely had to be cause for removal...<br /><br />Well, how wrong was I? Mike Vinson did absolutely nothing. He frothed at the mouth with some scripture quotes but then refused to follow up and then simply stopped replying to this woman. <br /><br />I also know that Mike encouraged a member (ahem, now an "elder") named Pete Wilson to leave his family and filled his head full of garbage about him being "hated of all men" and that his family secretly despised him etc. This so-called elder Pete Wilson left his wife and children and then married into the IWWB cult with another woman he'd never met.<br /><br />Sometime before this, I set up an email alias named Dr. Cartwright and began emailing Mike (and elder Mitch Kuhn) about my marriage, and said that my (fictional) wife Peggy as struggling with the "days months times and years" doctrine. I asked Mike for advice in email and gave elaborate details about this fictional situation. <br /><br />Mike's advice was to leave my wife and family and to follow his teachings. He also said that my wife and family "hated Christ" within me and that I should be prepared to lose all (in other words, be prepared to have my family leave me) in pursuit of the truth. <br /><br />So yes, Mike's little "Georgia study group" (as his son Wayne has called it) is most definitely a cult and is a dangerous place in which to find oneself. <br /><br />Thanks for the comment again. Look forward to hearing you elaborate on those details if you have the time and inclination. CheersiwwbEXPOSEDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12202567740067026278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705438356196936662.post-7226768008765521962016-04-08T12:17:28.410-07:002016-04-08T12:17:28.410-07:00Whoever has originated these blogs about iwawb, we...Whoever has originated these blogs about iwawb, well done! You are very correct about their deluded doctrines.I will say thanks again for taking the boldness to speak against the brain-washings that this cult is doing to gullible followers. Most of their members are very naive, wayward and simple-minded. They ones I know are more depressed and suffering in silence. No wonder Proverbs 1:32 says that "For the waywardness of the simple will kill them, and the complacency of fools will destroy them" Unlike you, most of their followers do not question Mike Vinson’s teachings. They just accept Vinson's deluded doctrines like fools or zombies! Thank God for giving you the initiative to deliver yourself from the cult - iwawb. Some of their leaders are supported to sleep even with their married ladies whose husbands/wives do not attend iwawb. They further manipulate these married followers to destroy their marriages by teaching that their unbelieving spouses are from Babylon. I am talking from experience. Members beware! satan himself uses the cult - iwawb to destroyed families, marriage relationships and separate children from parents. Their doctrines are not scriptural. iwawb's teaches false doctrines that do not represent the Gospel of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705438356196936662.post-88078449517829584022016-04-08T12:13:53.670-07:002016-04-08T12:13:53.670-07:00Whoever has originated these blogs about iwawb, we...Whoever has originated these blogs about iwawb, well done! You are very correct about their deluded doctrines.I will say thanks again for taking the boldness to speak against the brain-washings that this cult is doing to gullible followers. Most of their members are very naive, wayward and simple-minded. They ones I know are more depressed and suffering in silence. No wonder Proverbs 1:32 says that "For the waywardness of the simple will kill them, and the complacency of fools will destroy them" Unlike you, most of their followers do not question Mike Vinson’s teachings. They just accept Vinson's deluded doctrines like fools or zombies! Thank God for giving you the initiative to deliver yourself from the cult - iwawb. Some of their leaders are supported to sleep even with their married ladies whose husbands/wives do not attend iwawb. They further manipulate these married followers to destroy their marriages by teaching that their unbelieving spouses are from Babylon. I am talking from experience. Members beware! satan himself uses the cult - iwawb to destroyed families, marriage relationships and separate children from parents. Their doctrines are not scriptural. iwawb's teaches false doctrines that do not represent the Gospel of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705438356196936662.post-71424063153470889172015-12-22T01:14:08.356-08:002015-12-22T01:14:08.356-08:00LOL. What sort of comment (or defence) is this? Is...LOL. What sort of comment (or defence) is this? Is this an underhanded way of trying to get poor old persecuted father Mike off the hook - yet again? I'm always amused at the silly comments Mike's sycophants leave on here. They'll blatantly ignore his false teachings (the Revelation commentary etc.) and almost always, throw up some roundabout and trite one-liner that supposedly undoes me. Really?<br /><br />To answer your question "Cam Roines" if I decided to start my own religious cult and behave in the manner in which Mike Vinson has and does, then YES - absolutely, I would hope someone would have the decency to put my foolish teachings and borderline mental illness on blast in order to warn others. Isn't that the "loving" thing to do? <br /><br />All the best<br /><br />iwwbEXPOSEDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12202567740067026278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705438356196936662.post-33954338813822966862015-12-22T00:30:24.514-08:002015-12-22T00:30:24.514-08:00Love:
Matt 5:43-45 are you doing this?
[ Judging...Love:<br /><br />Matt 5:43-45 are you doing this?<br /><br />[ Judging Others ] For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705438356196936662.post-54548000281077322502014-09-08T14:46:50.925-07:002014-09-08T14:46:50.925-07:00Yeah I agree Marshall. There are without a doubt, ...Yeah I agree Marshall. There are without a doubt, Christian leaders who engage in a full-time reality acting role in order to win themselves a pay check from week to week.<br /><br />Mike definitely isn't that guy, and like you say, he is genuine about his own version of the Christian faith. I do feel sorry for him, (to a point) in that he has felt the need to cut off so many people over the years (including his own sons and daughters in-law), all because they don't align with what he feels is the "truth."<br /><br />In that sense, he has done what ALL religious extremists do, in that they demand conformity before they can accept you, and if you question their version of reality, they take it as a personal attack. I have mentioned the term "persecutory delusion" on the blog before, and that's exactly what it is I observe with Mike Vinson.<br /><br />I do hope one day he comes to his senses but I personally can't see it happening. <br /><br />Thanks for your comment. iwwbEXPOSEDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12202567740067026278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705438356196936662.post-57982195394569493632014-09-08T13:03:24.023-07:002014-09-08T13:03:24.023-07:00agreed, by no means did i intend to insinuate a &q...agreed, by no means did i intend to insinuate a "good" thing...delusion is delusion, the reference being to the fact that there have been leaders of Christianity who knowing and willfully "SOLD" a barrel of lies for profit...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03790582427561412914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705438356196936662.post-87899866670225211332014-09-02T14:29:52.371-07:002014-09-02T14:29:52.371-07:00If the topic of sincerity interests you Marshall, ...If the topic of sincerity interests you Marshall, I suggest you take a look at the website shariaunveiled.wordpress.com<br /><br />On the website, you can view extremely devout and sincere Muslims "who believe what they teach." You can watch them screaming "Allah Akbar" as they slice some poor bastards head from his shoulders with a kitchen knife. <br /><br />I only say this to illustrate that sincerity doesn't validate a claim or prove it to be anything of virtue. Hopefully you see my point. iwwbEXPOSEDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12202567740067026278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705438356196936662.post-88882250940897475642014-09-02T13:59:30.340-07:002014-09-02T13:59:30.340-07:00Hi Marshall.
Not sure exactly what you are meani...Hi Marshall. <br /><br />Not sure exactly what you are meaning (or getting at) by your comment but yes, I agree that Mike is a very sincere but very deluded man. <br /><br />He really does believe the earth was made in 7 x 24 hour time periods, that axe heads can float, that donkeys and snakes can talk, that sickness was curable in ancient times with the blood of birds and incantations and that the entire planet flooded, with a pair (or was it 7?) of every creature stowing away on an enormous huge wooden vessel that has never been found and that also didn't leak or capsize. <br /><br />Mike Vinson is many things, and yes, sincere does happen to be one of them.iwwbEXPOSEDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12202567740067026278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705438356196936662.post-6301462026000616822014-09-02T09:16:44.240-07:002014-09-02T09:16:44.240-07:00at least most of us excommunicated IWWBer's do...at least most of us excommunicated IWWBer's do give Mike credit for actually believing what he teaches...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03790582427561412914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705438356196936662.post-7559341049807671372014-07-21T17:40:57.037-07:002014-07-21T17:40:57.037-07:00yeah mate, I really want to be a part of Mike Vins...yeah mate, I really want to be a part of Mike Vinson's homosexual Jewish zombie appreciation society - you got me! LOL. <br /><br />I don't think so. It's called helping other people by making them aware of the cult that is IWWB. <br /><br />My question to you - why are you commenting here? You want to help me out do you? You want to help expose Mike? iwwbEXPOSEDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12202567740067026278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705438356196936662.post-76705442628581310022014-07-21T17:36:56.052-07:002014-07-21T17:36:56.052-07:00it sounds like u still want to be a part of it, if...it sounds like u still want to be a part of it, if u are a christian what ever that is why are u bashing mike VinsonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705438356196936662.post-73056932110349170552014-07-21T17:36:48.354-07:002014-07-21T17:36:48.354-07:00thanks for the comment above. I see you bought no ...thanks for the comment above. I see you bought no sound reasoning to the table, just more bold proclamations about things that cannot be verified. <br /><br />You are telling everyone here they are "all blind" and you are claiming to speak for God. Wow, arrogant much? If you have the truth, then why do you and Mike and the rest of you need to keep rehashing doctrine all the time? I don't see Jesus ever having to go back and re-jig his teachings.<br /><br />The fact that you clowns think and believe you are the elect is damning enough but to go about publicly proclaiming it? Again, your ego is out of control. Maybe first, IWWB needs to get its own act together? <br /><br />Some of the IWWB-ites might want to first start with getting in shape physically. The bible has a lot to say about gluttony. Mike Vinson and Steve Crook's wives might want to start first??? <br /><br />But anyway, you obviously have your head buried so far up Mike's ass and his labyrinth of biblical bullshit you can't see much else. I feel sorry for you buddy. All the bestiwwbEXPOSEDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12202567740067026278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705438356196936662.post-66023840894314489872014-07-21T17:23:26.135-07:002014-07-21T17:23:26.135-07:00u all are blind because God does not want everyone...u all are blind because God does not want everyone to know the truth of God,furthermore Jesus said my word are spiritual, all u see is in the natural,God has to open up your spiritual eye if not u will never understand in this life time,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705438356196936662.post-82265262097717206762014-03-21T10:40:29.712-07:002014-03-21T10:40:29.712-07:00Hello back Bill. Thank you for your thoughts here....Hello back Bill. Thank you for your thoughts here. I do try and be a good person, and in-fact, I believe my character has improved a lot since I broke ties with Mike Vinson. I now accept people as they are, rather than attempting to shoehorn them into my perceived image of how they ought to be.<br /><br />I'm not an atheist, in case you were wondering. I do believe there is an outside force, or God that exists. My wife has many premonitions and dreams that come true. She also "knows" certain things that she can have no way of really knowing, and 9 times out of 10, they turn out to be right. Where does this come from? From God I believe.<br /><br />A turning point in my evolution came when I read Thomas Paine's work "Age of Reason." Paine rejected Christianity and the bible, but believes in a creator, and surmises that the "word of God" is written in creation, and that the more we study creation, the more god-like we can become.<br /><br />This pretty much sums up my own philosophy at the moment. I remain skeptical about a lot of truth claims but also, I am open to mystery and the notion of the unknown. <br /><br />Thanks for all the comments Bill, I'll take a look at that URL (now working) when I get a moment.iwwbEXPOSEDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12202567740067026278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705438356196936662.post-89513014543053307362014-03-21T06:33:48.726-07:002014-03-21T06:33:48.726-07:00By the way... I had a dream about you. You are a g...By the way... I had a dream about you. You are a good man. I am sorry for what you had to endure in this situation. I ask the Father to strengthen you-- whether you believe, or don't believe in Him. There is one other thing that the Lord is leading me to tell you. God does have an elect, and they are called and chosen for a special purpose, but that purpose is not to lord over the rest of the people. The purpose of being elected of God is to love his people and except them in whatever condition they are PRESENTLY IN... that is the true meaning of what it is to be elect. And by the way... You might want to read my writing "Did Jesus sin", because I think you'll see that my outlook on Jesus is not near the same as what the other guys teach. I believe that Jesus has become an idol to the house of Israel and a stumbling block between our relationship with God and His people. Just an observation not pushing anything off on you! I will talk to you again my friend thanks BillAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14164750930099411649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705438356196936662.post-75811906803796015902014-03-21T06:20:34.688-07:002014-03-21T06:20:34.688-07:00Try that urlTry that urlAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14164750930099411649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705438356196936662.post-89756006602079322882014-03-21T06:17:40.112-07:002014-03-21T06:17:40.112-07:00http://melchizedekforum.yuku.com/topic/1080/THE-EN...http://melchizedekforum.yuku.com/topic/1080/THE-ENOCH-TRANCECONTACT-JUNE-23RD-1995Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14164750930099411649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3705438356196936662.post-23148470575044095992014-03-20T18:28:15.820-07:002014-03-20T18:28:15.820-07:00I have no judgment of you, whatsoever... I wish yo...I have no judgment of you, whatsoever... I wish you all the best. I do not rely on the sscripture to know who we all are... I saw where we all end up, and it is wonderful beyond words (and we will all end up there, whether we want to celebrate Christmas, eat birthday cake, or go dancing on Saturday night).<br /><br />I do not go to church, nor do I expect anything from any human being. I am my only enemy. Thanks for listening, bud. BillAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14164750930099411649noreply@blogger.com